JOHN 9

AEM  This is a very wonderful chapter of Scripture.  We often refer to the man of John 9.  It is a wonderful picture of the works of the Lord Jesus bringing in a man who might not even have realised he had a need that could be met; he did not call out.  It says the Lord saw him: “he saw a man blind from birth”.  This man comes to know a Saviour, he comes to know a Saviour as a Prophet, as Lord and as the Son of God.  What a remarkable journey in this man’s soul is depicted because of the One he comes to meet.

         We saw in chapter 8 the words of the Lord Jesus having an effect.  “He that is of God hears the words of God” (v 47); they were brought there by the Lord.  Now we see His works; how He can completely transform one, so that ultimately he comes to know the Son of God.  This seems to be a very powerful example of the gospel here, that the work is all of God.  The darkness around remains dark because of the non-acceptance of the Person of Christ.  You get a sense that everything is coming from God’s side and, as we had this morning, it glorifies the Son of God, who Himself glorifies God.  We are looking at this gospel to contemplate the glory of One who became flesh (chap 1), and there are possibly few better examples of how this comes about.

RMcK  I was struck as it was being read, in that we had spoken about the words of the Lord Jesus last time in the previous chapter, and here we have these actions of the Lord.  They are entirely consistent with each other and that can only be the Son of God.  We see the confusion and the division among the Jews again continuing.  We see Christ in contrast to that, the One who was “Altogether that which I also say to you”, John 8: 25.  His actions were perfectly in accord with His words.

AEM  It is a good reference to make to the pure consistency.  I was thinking of the oblation, “fine flour mingled with oil”, Lev 2: 4.  There could be no inconsistency, as another said, He was a Man, but not a mere man.  My impression for a long time has been that, although a body was prepared for Him, this was not an ordinary body: He took “his place in the likeness of men”, Phil 2: 7.  He took that condition so that He could draw near to men.  He was not anything like any of them morally.  It is a beautiful picture.  I like what you say; we heard the words in chapter 8 and here we see the works and there is a consistency flowing right through.

RMcK  Do you have a thought about what He says, “that the works of God should be manifested in him”?

AEM  My main impression would be that it gives us a hint of the foreknowledge of divine Persons.  It is not a matter of sin resulting in the government of God; that was not what had happened here.  They wanted to blame the blindness on something; or say he was like this because of something.  In the foreknowledge of God there was a condition here that meant that the works could be shown by coming into contact with One who was of God.  We see that at the end, the Son of God.  That was who He is; that was where He had come from.

RMcK  It is quite challenging to think of God acting in this way, this child being born blind and then for all those years.  Now, there is a demonstration to men of the greatness of God, seen in Christ, seen in Jesus, the Man.  The work of God is completely above everything that was going on in man’s system.

AEM  The Pharisee just wanted to point a finger; they wanted to blame someone for this; we are no different.  Something might happen in our lives, to our children or to one and another, and we would say, ‘Well who was at fault, where did it all go wrong?’.  He says here, “that the works of God should be manifested in him”.  When it says, “as he passed on, he saw a man blind from birth”, this was the Creator; He knew that this was so.

DJMcK  Do you think as we see the consistency of the Lord in His words and His works, we also see His consistency of position, and the rejection of what is of the world against the Lord Jesus?

AEM  This is part of the darkness that “apprehended it not”, John 1: 5.

DJMcK  I was thinking a little more about the bondage of the previous chapters.  The response of what is under bondage or the response of sin is the same.  The response to the man’s words in verse 33 , “If this man were not of God he would be able to do nothing”, is a consistent response against the Lord Jesus, against His Person, His word and His work.  We see His Person as well later.  The rejection in this scene was complete.

AEM  The last verse we read links with what you are saying.  The Lord says to them, “If ye were blind ye would not have sin, but now ye say, We see, your sin remains”.  They did not see; they did not see the Son of God.  The only way the light of the world is going to enter into a heart is if it is open to Him personally.

DJMcK  Yes, we have spoken of the works of God being made manifest.   The picture of this chapter is about bringing in sight.  It is about blindness, the blindness of the world.  It is the darkness apprehending it not; there was that which was completely incompatible with the workings and the words of the Lord Jesus; they could never see it.

AEM  No, and one thing that this scripture presents very forcefully is that light comes from the divine side.  We know that in the gospel that is the case; the work in new birth that the Lord sees.  Last Lord’s day we spoke about “My Father working hitherto and I work” (John 5: 17), and about the Spirit then working as well; the divine initiative to bring light into this man’s soul is glorious.

WBMcK  What is your impression as to this day and night that are referred to in verse 4?  “I must work the works of him that has sent me while it is day.  The night is coming, when no one can work”?

AEM  I am not sure; there will come a time when the day of grace ends.  I do not know exactly when this refers to.  What is your impression?

WBMcK  I was wondering about it, and my first impression was that the Lord says, “As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world” in the following verse.  The light of the world is still in the world in those that represent Christ.  This working is still going on; “work the works of him that has sent me while it is day” is still going on.

AEM  Yes, we are still in the time of the day in that sense.  In another sense in Scripture, we know that it is the night and we await the day dawn.  In the sense in which the Lord is speaking, “the light of the world” was still available and is available now.  There will come a time when it stops and I suppose that is the solemnity of that verse that you referred to.

WBMcK  I was thinking that.  What it means is, “The night is coming, when no one can work”. 

AEM  How solemn.

WBMcK  There is nothing that can be done.

AEM  There is nothing in the darkness that has just been referred to outside of Christ.  There is nothing there that can help or save man.

AJMcK  What is being drawn attention to helps us to see that the works of God are in a man.  It is not exactly that there is a series of events that need to take place, or a series of works that need to be undertaken.  If you have a big project, you have bills of works and tasks that need to be done.  The works of God being manifested in man, in this man, is because of what was in Christ.  There is day because of what is in Him.  It is not that there are things the world has to do; it is all in Him and that is the day.  The sober thing is that the night is coming and those works will stop in relation to man here upon the earth.

AEM  I think that helps us a lot.  What is in Christ is everything from God’s side.  There is an address by Mr Coates (Outline of John’s gospel (vol 29) pp123-6) on exactly what you have referred to.  He speaks about the Son of God being everything, and gives three reasons for that.  The first is that the Father has placed within our reach One whom He Himself delights in.  What a wonderful thing; that is just God’s gracious act.  Secondly, the Father is revealed in Him; and thirdly He will uphold all for God.  If we take those three things it is all there in what you have just said.  We see all that in this chapter.  The Father desired that this man in John 9 should come to a knowledge of all of that. 

AJMcK  It is a picture for us of the moral condition of the race: blind.  Jesus takes account of that.  He has taken account of the moral condition of the race and in Him the works of God are there, and they are to be manifested; that is His desire.

AEM  Yes, so a blind man could absorb nothing of this world.  He has no hope, and yet he can come into the glory of the full knowledge of the Son of God.

AJMcK  That is “the works of him that has sent me”. 

EMcK  Does it link with what was referred to this morning as to, “For in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily”, Col 2: 9?

AEM  I think it does.

EMcK  I am impressed by the scope of this chapter.  Here was One – this man could say, “A man called Jesus” – One who came so near, and yet the fulness of the Godhead was pleased to dwell bodily in Him. 

AEM  What you say is so important to grasp.  “The fulness of the Godhead”; one of the verses of Scripture says was pleased to dwell in him “bodily”, and here we see it.  He was not just a man, speaking reverently, doing good things.  It was not just a man doing incredible things.  It was One in whom “all the fulness of the Godhead was pleased to dwell” (Col 1: 19), and thus it makes the responsibility of the Pharisee and the darkness that was in the Pharisees’ hearts so dreadful.  A blind man could come to know the One in whom all that fulness dwelt.

ARH  I was thinking that it is a simple statement: “I am the light of the world”, but it is so profound.  The way it is drawn attention to as to the “I am” should not be lost on us; all that is in that statement and the declaration that there is of God and His love.  Then He goes on to works.  What we have said as to the Lord Jesus and His words and His actions is all part of the “I am”.  Then He goes on to undertake works that bring persons to God. 

AEM  That is what we contemplate: “we have contemplated his glory”, John 1: 14.  Again the question comes, have I really contemplated the glory?  We saw at the end of the last chapter, “Before Abraham was, I am”, v 58.

TWL  The works of God should be manifested.  The works of God are not merely relief.  The works of God are so that a person has the capacity to see the moral excellence of Jesus, to see the One who is the effulgence of the glory of God.  We sometimes think about God moving to relieve us of guilt, but actually these works of God relate to glory, not guilt.

AEM  I think that is very helpful.  It chimes with what we have been saying, that knowing Him as Saviour was just the first step.  He said, “A man called Jesus”. 

AJMcK  Is that why the ointment is placed on his eyes?  Literally the condition was made worse, outwardly.  This was really in order that his occupation should be with what belonged to a scene of glory.  He was not going to be diverted by what he saw around him.  The ointment was necessary to completely finish anything relating to the earthly scene in view of what was heavenly. 

AEM  Yes, I think so.  Because of that his obedience to the One who commanded him is brought out.  The pool was called “Siloam” which means ‘sent’.  The Lord Himself was sent.  This man too was obedient to the One who asked him to go and wash; Jesus was the One who had stooped, as we saw at the beginning of the last chapter; and here He stooped and made mud on the earth that His own hands had made.  That brings the blind man to what has been referred to, into a condition where the glory of God, the glory of the Son of God, can fill his heart.

TWL  We often think about this sort of thing as the disciples did, “who sinned, this man or his parents … ?”.  Would it be right to think about this that God had over-ruled that this man had been blind all his life, until Jesus was there?  He was born this way.     Then He opened his eyes. 

AEM  Do you think by way of application the thought of household baptism for us is similar?

TWL  Yes, we come into line with that in our households, or should do.  It strikes me that this man had not missed things by not being able to see them.  He had never missed what he did not know existed.  God protected him for Himself.

AEM  Yes.  We could say on the evidence of this chapter that He not only did not miss anything; he now had more than those who could see. 

WBMcK  The mud of itself would do nothing.  It would be tempting in man’s viewpoint to read this and say we will go and get some more of this mud and cure more blindness.  Similarly with the woman with the flux of blood, she touched the hem of His garment; it was nothing about the garment exactly.  It was the contact with the Lord Jesus that was the thing that cured.

AEM  I think so.  One very important element as to this mud was that it said that “he spat on the ground and made mud of the spittle”.  Others have said that speaks of the essence of the One who was here Himself, stooping.  He gave Himself.

DAB  Do you think this was really the blind man getting a personal impression of the glorious incoming of the Lord Jesus stooping into manhood.  It began there, and what it led on to was these impressions, as they grew with the glorious greatness of the Person before him, but it began with a personal impression of the stoop of this glorious Man into manhood.

AEM  What has been referred to here about the man having been blind is a remarkable thing.  When they talked to him in verse 11, he says, “A man called Jesus made mud”.  He did not actually see that.  What he knew was that what had been done for him involved the Person of Christ effecting something that changed his life forever; that is what we have in the gospel.  The preacher can say that He died for me. 

DAB  Drawing the thoughts together that we have had in the reading, this man was becoming a lantern.  We speak of “the light of the world”.  The Lord is now on high; what remains are the lanterns; the light is there.  The One who is the Light of the world had established a lantern, someone who could shine for Him.  That is available to this day.

AEM  That is good.  We have referred a couple of times through this gospel to the scripture that speaks of “the God … who has shone in our hearts for the shining forth”, 2 Cor 4: 6.  That is what happened with this man.  It is only not ‘shone into’, but there was something in this man now that was his; the light he had for shining, for testimony really.

ARH  I was wondering if that relates to the words, “and came seeing”.  There were many that were healed that were satisfied and went away.  We have thought of that recently, but here is one who had such an impression of the Lord that he returned to Him and he “came seeing”.  That was really the commencement of that lantern for the Lord that would be left here as testimony, do you think?

AEM  It is an immediate answer to the work, an immediate answer to the activity of the Lord Jesus.  It is powerful because there is nothing that stops this man.  Nothing stops him testifying according to the limit of the light he had, which grows and grows and grows through the chapter.

DJMcK  This starts with obedience as well.  There is what the Lord does sovereignly, and then the man is obedient to the word that he has been given.

AEM  There is a lot of meaning in that, but I like this little reference in verse 8, “The neighbours therefore, and those who used to see him before”; they see something different now.  There would also be those who had seen him walk down to the pool with mud all over his eyes.

RMcK  We should not underestimate how difficult that was.  I do not think I have noticed it before.  It is a good comment about his obedience; he was blind: how did he get there?  That was not easy. 

AEM  There is a compulsion about this.  He said to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam”, and then he comes back.  The Lord does not take him there. 

RMcK   There is a committal on his part to follow what the Lord instructed him to do. 

DAB  Do you think it shows something of the spirit of the blind man in Jericho, who calls Jesus Son of David?  It says that “many rebuked him, that he might be silent; but he cried so much the more”, Mark 10: 48.  He would not be satisfied; he would have an interaction with the Lord.

RMcK  As we see coming out in the rest of the chapter, there is not only the obedience and preparedness to go that way for himself for his own benefit, but also acknowledging that the works of God were being made manifest.

AJMcK  I was thinking of what Paul says to the Colossians, “If ye have died with Christ from the elements of this world”, chap 2: 20.  That is really what happened to this man.  As to how he reached the pool we do not know.  I was thinking about his willingness and his obedience to go out and wash.  He died with Christ; it is really morally what he went through.  I wonder if that is what prepares him to be that light bearer, that lantern.  That glory then finds a resting place in this man as a result of dying “with Christ from the elements of the world”.  I was thinking about the neighbours and the Pharisees; all this turmoil and activity happens all around him, but he grows in his understanding of the Lord, and he seems to pass through it all.

AEM  I think he immediately becomes, what has been referred to, a lamp.  It does not tell us who took him.  Provision would have been made to honour his obedience and he reached the pool.  It might have been quite challenging.  The lamp is already starting to attract those who were around him.  They do not understand it.  There is opposition.  It is already starting to attract.  It is the same light, from the same source.

RMcK  I was struck when it was being read as to his parents.  I am not sure I had noticed that before.  Everything of the world, the natural links that he had and the religious links with the synagogue and the Jewish system, had all been superseded.  It describes him as being a beggar.  Then his parents come and they do not take any responsibility.  They are not prepared to answer properly in case they offend the Jews; everything around him had rejected him.

AEM  That is the sorrowful condition of man, currently.  It was then and it is now.  This world can do nothing for the soul of the sinner.  He moves on; and just before they call his parents, he says of the Lord, “He is a prophet”.  He is not quite there yet, but he has moved on.  He says, “He is a prophet”, that is, one who brings in the word of God.  Immediately they had a use for his parents; they did not call his parents before.  Now they say, ’Now we will catch him, because someone else can be to blame for this‘.  What darkness there is in the world, but nothing is stopping this man moving on in his knowledge of God. 

RMcK  He has already spoken about him as “A man called Jesus”.  We are not told how he knew His name.  He knew “A man called Jesus”; “He is a prophet”.

AEM  The name Jesus means Saviour, and he knew Him as such.  Now he says, “He is a prophet”.  Something was starting to stir in his affections after this Man who had wrought such a wonderful gift.

MAB  I was thinking of the actions required not just in this section here, but in the previous chapter as well: “go, and sin no more”, John 8: 11.  There is always an action required after interaction with the Lord Jesus.  It does not just happen; there is no healing without a response.

AEM  Having to do with the Lord always brings about responsibility; I always think that in the gospel.  We always say there is nothing to do; that is not true.  There is nothing to pay: that is true.  There is always something to do; it may be to be obedient.  It is certainly to repent, and then it brings us into what is the answer.  This man was starting to answer.

MAB  We see the need for action throughout John.  Elsewhere too, we have “thy faith has made thee well”, Luke 17: 19.

AEM  It is active faith.  We spoke about belief last Lord’s day, believing.  That is faith in operation, starting to respond to the light that is coming in.

ARH  I have been thinking about what has been said about the verse, “made mud of the spittle, and put the mud, as ointment, on his eyes.  And he said to him, Go, wash”.  Sometimes there has been great exercise for individuals in coming to the Lord, perhaps in difficulty.  The early chapters of Romans teach us as to what may happen in going through coming to the Lord; but then this man sees and the blessing is all there for him.  It is something to encourage us when we might see someone that is perhaps seeking their way; and to help them to come to the Person as the man does here.

AEM  I think that would keep our affections very soft to hold what you have spoken of in our hearts.  It is sometimes even worse for those who have once believed, with everything that comes on top of them as they seek to get back to the One that they once knew.  That is hard.  Pride enters into it, and the diversion of the world and all these things.  It is a case of coming to the fact as we have here, “One thing I know”; to come to that point.  You start to realise.  Let us not look at other people; let us look at ourselves.  We have to come back to “One thing I know”; before we were blind, and then we could see. 

ARH  I think it is a crucial thing that if there should be one thing we know that will always keep us; it is that I know that the Lord is my Saviour.  You can always come back to that, no matter where you might find yourself in life.  Hold it in your heart.

AEM  The point of departure is the point of recovery.  If we get away from the fact that we have One who is our Saviour that is always where we can come back to. 

DAB  Is that true in the lamp?  I was reflecting on that parable.  They all fell asleep, “all grew heavy and slept”, Matt 25: 5.  The wise ones were able to trim their lamps; they were able to go back to what they knew.  They were able to touch a faith they had and by applying the oil the lights burned brighter, they shone.  I was just thinking about what has been said in relation to work: we need to trim our lamps.  That is how the light stays bright.  The Lord is the source of the light, but to maintain lights in the world our lamps need trimming.

AEM  Trimming is needed, and we need that supply of the oil.  I think what you say is helpful.  That was not necessarily how it was with this man, but what we are speaking of is most definitely true.  We know what it is in our daily lives that we have to take care.  We cannot just play fast and loose; we have to take care of the lamp; and do you think the more we see the preciousness of the glory of the Son of God, the more we know Him as a Saviour and a Prophet and as Lord, the more we want to do so?

DAB  I think so; it is just the simplicity of getting back to what we know.  Sometimes it is detrimental to over-complicate, and try and get further than that one thing.  We get like the Galatians, puzzled and confused, and the light begins to dim.  They look as if they are doing the right thing, but trimming the lamps is getting back to what is known in the heart in relation to the Man in the glory.

AEM  This man stuck to that “One thing I know”.  It is as if he said, ’You can call my parents; you can say what you like, but I know, I know this’; and what a light it was.  He had never been able to see, and now he is suddenly able to see, and see the glory of Christ; what a change that was.

TWL  I know it is different but I was just looking at Paul’s conversion; I know it is unique.  It is very interesting that he was made blind.  The scripture in Acts 26 says, “And I said, Who art thou, Lord?  And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: but rise up and stand on thy feet; for, for this purpose have I appeared to thee, to appoint thee to be a servant and a witness both of what thou hast seen, and of what I shall appear to thee in, taking thee out from among the people”, v 15-17.  I wonder if all that links with what was said about the pool of Siloam: “taking thee out from among the people, and the nations, to whom I send thee, to open their eyes, that they may turn from darkness to light, from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive remission of sins and inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me”, v 17, 18.  In this context, this man in John 9 did the same thing.

AEM  That is a good reference.  We can never overstate that we are not changing what is in this world to make it brighter.  This is a different source altogether and that required Saul of Tarsus to became blind, so that he needed the touch of a brother to help him see, Acts 9: 17.

TWL  Yes, and the Lord appears to him, “I am Jesus”.  This man says, “A man called Jesus”.  He ends up with the Lord saying, “dost thou believe on the Son of God?”.  Paul says, “in that I now live in flesh, I live by faith, the faith of the Son of God”, Gal 2: 20.  That is how he puts it.  We begin with a Man who died for us, and we live in the power of the Son of God.

AEM  I think that is where this chapter takes us and there are steps on the way.  It is inexorable.  The Lord is not going to leave him alone until he gets there.

DJMcK  I was just wondering about that.  There was no chance of this man falling back again.  We have the words of the Pharisees they asked him again: he says, “I told you already and ye did not hear”.  There was something in that man now that was completely different to the scene around.  The Lord would not allow him to be swallowed back up into the systems of men.

AEM  And when he was cast out, the Lord went and found him.  It says in verse 35, “Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and having found him, he said to him, Thou, dost thou believe on the Son of God?”.  His answer is, “And who is he, Lord, that I may believe on him?”.  I think it is vital, and probably links to the trimming of the lamps, that we have this constant experience of the Lord’s claim on us.

DJMcK  Yes, this man had his view broadened only by experience with the Lord.  It does not say he went off to find out more about Jesus, but personal relationship with the Lord is the way his view was formed, and his lamp was burning brighter because of that relationship.

AEM  I think we know what that is like.  I was thinking of the example of Mary and Martha in Bethany.  When the Lord came there He says of Mary she had “chosen the good part” (Luke 10: 42), and that is because she sat at the feet of the Lord.  Martha was not doing anything wrong when it says she had become “distracted with much serving”, v 40.  That is easy to do.  This man here wants to know, “who is he, Lord, that I may believe on him?”.  In that sense he maybe sat at the feet of Jesus, morally.  It is not that there was anything wrong with Martha serving, but she needed as it were to trim her lamp a little.

DAB  It was said the Lord would not allow the world to swallow the man up again; the world had no interest in having Him either.  I was thinking of what you get later on in John: “In the world ye have tribulation; but be of good courage: I have overcome the world”, chap 16: 33.  The Lord meets that too.

AEM  He does and He is sufficient for all of it.  I like your suggestion that the Lord knows what is needed.  He knows what is needed to get us to an appreciation of Himself, to get us to the end of verse 38, “and he did him homage”.  We start from verse 1: “he saw a man blind from birth”.  If we are thinking of the Lord as having foreknowledge He had that in mind before that.

DAB  I was interested when it was read: it says, “he saw”.  The disciples may have imagined that they drew the Lord’s attention to Him, but by the time John writes his gospel he understands that the Lord had seen the blind man first and, and that is what we need to take account of.  He saw me.

AEM  I think that, and He says, “For judgment am I come into this world, that they which see not may see”.  How simple.

ARH  It seems quite precious to me that at verse 12, “They said therefore to him, Where is he?  He says, I do not know”.  “Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and having found him”: He came to him.  He had been healed here, and he had an impression as to Jesus having made him well, made him to see.  He did not know where He was, and then he goes through this exercise in testimony.  I was thinking of the scene that he is walking through: “They bring him who was before blind to the Pharisees”.  They took him back to the scene that he had been extricated from.  He goes through all of that, and then having heard that he was cast out then the Lord Jesus comes back to him.   From not knowing where He was, he had part with Him.

AEM  I love that; you think of the heart of the Lord there showing forth the love of the Father for this man.  He finds him; He does not just comfort him and say it will all be fine.  He asks him this immense question: “dost thou believe on the Son of God?”.  What a question.  He had just been left on his own.  The Lord does not say, ‘Well, you are just going to have to live knowing me as Lord and being obedient’.  What He says is, ‘I am going to show you the glory of the Son of God’.

TWL  That is John’s epistle: “Who is he that gets the victory over the world, but he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God”, 1 John 5: 5.  It is fulness of power.

AEM  Everything is there in the Son of God.  This is not presenting Him as the Son of man now making a claim on all men; this is what He is for the Father.

TWL  Yes, and it is the Man for the Father, that overcame the world.  He overcame the entire circumstance in which He lived on account of His love for the Father.  It is quite a thing to get hold of, and then He passes that to us.  Going back to a comment made earlier in relation to this, this man becomes a person of faith and he operates by “the faith of the Son of God”, and subsequently he is able to overcome all of these things, his circumstance, the neighbours, family, everything.  He overcomes everything by rallying to the Son of God.

AEM  I am sure that is right.  Does it not leave you wanting to know what the work of God really became in him?  If he learnt this much in this short space of time, how much did he then learn as coming to know the Son of God?  It is open to us.

AJMcK  The Lord finding this man in verse 35 continues, “the works of him that has sent me”.  It was for this man that the Lord was preparing a place: “for I go to prepare you a place”, John 14: 2.  He has prepared a place for us, and He has prepared a place for this man.  It is “the works of him that has sent me”.  The Lord was occupied with what was for the Father and it involved opening up the glory of the Son of God.

AEM  I think so, and this was before He went to the cross.  It starts to illuminate other Scriptures.  The centurion by the cross said, “Truly this man was Son of God”, Mark 15: 39.  That is what the testimony is to.  It helps me to constantly elevate the thought of who He was.  We can easily bring it down, and that is true in the terms that He was a Man and the incarnation and so on.  He stooped as we saw here to make the mud, but He is Son of God.  That is where the Father wants me to hold Him in my knowledge.

Witney
2022

List of Initials:

D A Barlow, Sunbury; M A Bedford, Witney; A R Hutson, Witney; T W Lock, Edinburgh; Alistair J McKay, Witney; Duncan J McKay, Witney; Eddie McKay, Witney; Rob McKay, Witney; Will B McKay, Witney; A E Mutton, Witney